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 Posted: Sat Aug 18th, 2012 08:59 pm
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Judy K
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I have seen wonderful cathedral painted windows and awesome opal windows with only the flesh painted.

I love the play of light on the floor from Cathedral glass. And I love the ability to see color outside the window and with reflected light inside at night with opal glass. Has anyone been combining them and I just missed it?

Judy Killian



 Posted: Mon Aug 20th, 2012 04:40 pm
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I've rarely, if ever, seen a really succesful combination done. I alwas advise my students to stick with one or the other - then again, I don't particulary like opalescent glasses...



 Posted: Mon Aug 20th, 2012 06:13 pm
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I have only used it in mosaic so far. But I have ideas brewing. If you or anyone can think of a successful attempt please show me.



 Posted: Tue Aug 21st, 2012 02:17 am
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What kind of ideas?



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Brewing ideas. She's making beer.



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Sorry Don, they are still too hot and bubbly. But I will let you know if anything turns out half decent.



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Judy:

That window I just posted on The Art Glass Factory forum uses cathedral & other clear colors with an opal trompe l'oeil window sash.

I have used opalescent and cathedral glasses in many panel/window projects. Sometimes, as with the "frame" or border, it's pretty obvious how to divvy up the effects and I may keep glass types separate. Sometimes, I do mix them in a panel.

As usual, the rule is that it's your work and you rule! Mock it up and do what works for you. - Tod



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David Wilson, said to me once it is all glass and all good.
I have always admired David and his work so as a nod to David When I made an indoor nave window with a lot of Blenko glass.
I scattered small bits of two way mirrors in it.
It is in a church in New Jersey. In the day it just sits there and kinda smolders, at nigh when the sun goes down and the interior lights go on, the window becomes a silver snow storm out of a Japanese print. Around the same time I made that one I was working on my first window in the National Cathedral, a small tower window. I found some printed bathroom glass from the early 1900,s. I think the pattern was called Florentine, it was clear but it had great
light refractive qualities. So I used it, it worked.
Thankz to dear old David. " if it is glass it is all good", maybe.
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Thank You very much Tod and CZ.

Tod, I love your Poppy Window and was just looking at it again yesterday. As I look back through some of my stuff I have salted it with opal scraps that were given to me. But that was before I knew there was a difference. (Not so long ago)

CZ, I am leaning toward something that sings in both day and night since we have more than our share of night up here. " If it is glass, it is all good." I have a window that is mostly clear textures and blues in my living room. Sometimes it is prettier in the night with its reflections that in the day.

How long does good mirror last in a dry indoor situation? Does spraying it with mirror seal extend that time line?

Last edited on Tue Aug 21st, 2012 05:31 pm by Judy K



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Charlie, I love your description of that window with the two way mirror. Is there a photo online that we might look at?

I suppose the Nat Cath window is easy to view?

Judy, I know nothing about the lives of mirrors but irridized (and dichroic) glasses also have value for low-light accents. I think I'd plate dichoric in order to protect the coating as these seem kind of delicate. - Tod



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I made a window a few years back with everything in it - base of a wine glass, slices of agate, cast lumps of glass, artificial sapphire, slumped marbles, mirror... I also used some dichroic which changes colour depending on where you stand in the church and also, when it's dark outside and lights are on inside, glitters gold. I fired the dichroic to toughen the coating (genuine dichroic glass is hideously expensive - the coated is bad enough). I think mixing materials works better in a modern design - traditional stained glass I don't think does. Different glasses affect the light in different ways, which is why it's difficult to come up with a sucesful window, I think.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/47859152@N05/5921674225/



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I think it is on my web site, it is in east Collingswood N.J.
It is a Lutheran church. Done in a lot of browns and yellows also some Blenko oranges and browns. The mirrors are a light tan color when they are transparent and silver when reflected.
It works both ways because the mirrors fit the brown, yellow, orange and clear pallet. Some where there is also a picture of my wife reflected in the mirrors taking a picture of the window.
One of the designers at Rambusch used to kid me about a window I made in 1959 of a Samurai warrior, and call me the Hokusai of Rambusch. Well years later I made this window. My Hokusai Snow Storm.
CZ, The web site is czlawrence.com, I think.



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Rona, It does have the WOW factor. I love the colors, especially where the red oranges and blues meet. And the light source emanating from the cross. It must be stunning in person.

Do any of the red and blues look 3D as they come together? It looks like some are the right values for it.

Charlie, Thank you. I really enjoyed the diversity of work you do.



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Thanks Judy! It actually has real 3-d glass in it. I used glass from UK, Germany, France, Poland, China and Argentina - even USA!



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Even USA. Wow! That must be what gave it the wow factor ;)



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Earlier in this discussion Judy or someone asked about using mirror......I have selectively, but would spray/wipe on black paint on the back side, and especially along the edges......but I really like CZ thought about using 2 way mirror....is that available at glass/mirror stores?



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Good question? Here's another question. How is 2 way mirror made? Does it last or is it a coating too?



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Yes, it's a coating. Start here >>

http://science.howstuffworks.com/question421.htm



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Thanks!



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I don't remember where I got it, it was expensive.  Fred Jayson was the person who helped me get it.  I think he ordered it from some place he knew.  It was back in the 1980's, I think.  The base color of the mirrored plate was a sorta tan and the mirror was silver, invisible in transmitted light,  It worked very well in a low light situation. 

I think it will be used in an upsoming article on my work.

CZ



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