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 Posted: Wed Mar 11th, 2009 12:20 am
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Back in The Old Country, I used to use an acid resistant paint called bitumastic paint. It paints or sponges or stencils and doesn't run. I'm pretty sure it's solvent based - it doesn't mix with water.

I've been trying to find something similar here. Google searches for bitumastic paint lead me to zillions of makers in the UK or Australia (?!) but not USA. Being toxic and flammable probably doesn't help. I don't think I want to try smuggling it back to USA on my next trip, so I need to find an equivalent here.

My local DIY said they had it for roofing but what they had is really thick, you apply it with a knife and it can't be thinned.

Wiki said maybe Japan Black or Brunswick Black, but I thought Japan Black was an enamel. Don't know if that would do the same job.

So now I need to know, are they the same? If not, will they do the same job? If so, where can I get them?

I would really appreciate anyone's suggestions - thanks.



 Posted: Wed Mar 11th, 2009 12:46 pm
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Rona -

I know of 2 options in the USA. I've used both as a liquid acid resist, and either can be thinned with mineral spirits.

One is "asphaltum", found in better art supply stores. It's used as the ground for etching copper plates, and it works on glass as well.

Another substance, found in garden supply shops, is known by different names, either 'tree healing paint, or 'tree sealing paint', or 'tree pruning seal'. It's also asphalt based, and may be the exact same stuff as asphaltum. It's certainly very similar in smell and appearance. I'm not sure how readily available it is these days.  

For either one, I find it works best if a bit thicker than it's initial consistency. But that also depends on if you are just painting it on as an acid resist and leaving it or if you plan to scratch into it to get thin etched lines.

To thicken, just put some in a jar and leave it open for several days or even weeks in a well ventilated area, like a garage.

Hope that helps,
Tom Krepcio



 Posted: Wed Mar 11th, 2009 01:43 pm
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Tom, thanks so much for that. I have now found the art shop stuff (knowing what to call it makes the difference!) and will see if my tree surgeon can give me some tree pruning stuff to experiment with.

The stuff I used to use in UK also could be thickened by leaving it open - that thickness, I used to print photos on to glass then etch off, which is kinda fun, while at thinner consistencies I used to play around with different effects. I brought some wonderful flashes across with me and have been itching to do things with them!

Thanks again.



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Nothing to do with the question.

Rona I was a EAG in Alvechurch today. I found a great 2 foot rondel that I want. They said they never shipped to the USA. Any thoughts on the best way  (cheap)for them to ship the rondel to me?

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http://www.englishantiqueglass.co.uk/

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Solrite, I have both the things Tom suggested winging their way to me, so you can go off topic!

Did you offend them?! Here's part of  an email from them: We do send glass to America, but we do not have a stockist.  We would be more than happy to sell direct to you if you wanted to place an order. Who did you speak to? That was from Alison, who's a wee sweetie. Did you have the terrible Tony with you?!

If they can pack it securely, they can deliver it to Land in Dronfield - where Fizz used to work - and it can be shipped across in the cases that come to proud new parent company, Ametek, where he works now. At least, that was the case up until last Thursday, when they made 20 folk redundant (I think that needs translating? They lost their jobs) so it may be different now - will ask. We're going to be in Dronfield next month, but it sounds like kinda big for taking on the plane?

How was EAG? Tiny place compared to Lambert, but some of the glasses are luscious. Did Harry let you blow something? Hope they gave you coffee and chocolate biscuits!

Will ask Fizz if he has any other thoughts and report back.



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I was there with Rab and Linda, they bought some sheets. Everyone there was nice and frendly. Yes they offered tea and coffee. They were not blowing today.  was told that they shipped to Canada once or twice but not to the USA.



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Swines! I shall email Alison and ask her. And ask why no chocolate biscuits.

Did Rab and Linda not persuade you to stay over for the Glasgow conference?

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I'd have to stay a couple of months till that conference starts



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And the problem with that is...?



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too much haggis



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Tee hee!

Better that than deep-fried Mars Bars...



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Rona wrote:
Did you offend them?! 

 

OBVIOUSLY!  We're talking about Vic, Rona.  How could you doubt it?

Rebecca



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Rebecca - I thought Vic was famous for his suave, sophisticated ways. No? Another illusion shattered. That just leaves the dashing good looks.

Anyroadup, Vic, Fizz says he thinks the Land/Ametek route is not the way to go at present, but says if EAG can pack it robustly enough, and send it to my mother's house in Scotland, we can bring it back with our check-in luggage in May, after the Glasgow Conference. Haggis holds no fears for us!



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Rona wrote: Rebecca - I thought Vic was famous for his suave, sophisticated ways. No? Another illusion shattered. That just leaves the dashing good looks.



 

Yes, there's that.  How are you traveling?  It sounds like he's picked out a big'un.

Rebecca



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Well, I toyed with the idea of reliving the journey that John Gordon Guthrie took when he emigrated to America, but then I read Robert Louis Stephenson - who, coincidentally, was at school with Stephen Adam who has work in the church hosting the Glasgow conference that Vic is refusing to go to and... where was I? Yes, RLS's account of travelling by boat, steerage, to America was so horrific that I just thought "Sod this for a game of soldiers, I'll just take a plane".

Though building a sort of Kon-Tiki might be fun.



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Rona wrote: Well, I toyed with the idea of reliving the journey that John Gordon Guthrie took when he emigrated to America, but then I read Robert Louis Stephenson - who, coincidentally, was at school with Stephen Adam who has work in the church hosting the Glasgow conference that Vic is refusing to go to and... where was I? Yes, RLS's account of travelling by boat, steerage, to America was so horrific that I just thought "Sod this for a game of soldiers, I'll just take a plane".

Though building a sort of Kon-Tiki might be fun.


If your going to build a Kon-Tiki, I have a Stephen Adam window I can lend you for the trip.

Michael



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Curiously enough, just at the moment the computer pinged to tell me to rush to AGG, I was trawling through a pile of stuff about Adam, including a speech where he praised the work of LaFarge, and details of a window by Stephen Adams (sic) and Thomson, Glass Stainers, Glasgow - a new combination to me.

If I build the raft, do I get to keep the Adam? There are 2 (possibly) on Ebay at the moment, a snip at 110 dollars.



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Well, That's up for discussion.

I looked on ebay but didn't see the two listings. Do you have the link?

Michael



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http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320348230065&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:AU:1123

It's actually Australian Ebay. They have no proof they are Adam apart from they think they are... I might spend some time tomorrow trying to find out which brewery they may have come from.

I think the pricing is pretty optimistic.

 



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I don't think they're by Stephen Adam, the painting style does not look like his - it's too heavily toned. He did "go large", so it may be from his larger studio company, if any paperwork can verify this, but I don't think it's from his hand.

Linda

Rona, I wrote an article about the American Art Glass / Glasgow connection about 20 years ago for SSCR - you should be able to track it down.

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