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Help for taking measurements for door windows?
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 Posted: Sun Feb 22nd, 2015 02:43 pm
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I could use some tips to take measurements for windows in a door .  It's tricky to measure b/c it's a fan shape with wide molding, and the molding is deep.  I could measure the angles (45 degrees) but getting the spacing accurate to put into a vector drawing program (inkscape) is very difficult.  The measurements I  got w/ a ruler aren't accurate enough since the glass is set in so deep.  The width of the short ends of glass are not all equal.  I tried importing the photo into inkscape (vector program) to draw over, but the pic isn't exact enough.

I could also use some ideas for how to install the leaded panels over the existing glass.

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 Posted: Mon Feb 23rd, 2015 10:20 am
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To clarify, you want to put the leaded panels into the openings, against the existing glass?

The easiest way to get an accurate version of the openings is to take a rubbing of the whole window (my preference) and adjust the daylight openings by measuring the molding and drawing new lines. Then, make paper or cardboard (easier to be accurate) templates to see how they fit, adjust and start drawing your cartoon.



 Posted: Mon Feb 23rd, 2015 04:33 pm
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Hi Hope,

I reckon the only safe bet for measurements is to cut a cardboard template.
You can use trial-and-eror methods to cut the board, even glueing bits back on to add card if necessary.

You will need advice from someone more experienced about fitting the finished article.

Roger.



 Posted: Mon Feb 23rd, 2015 06:25 pm
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Yes, I want to put leaded panels against existing glass.

Cardboard makes sense - easy to adjust to get it just right.  I had a feeling there might be an easy solution to this that just wasn't occurring to me!



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Are you planning to have this as ONE unit, or a unit for each section? Regardless, and depending on your design you might make the outside lead framework.... soldered or even taped on only one side, made sure it fits, decide how you are going to insert the unit(s) (small nails, epoxy, etc), and then unsolder and use the border leads in your work.

Barbara in Michigan



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It will be 4 separate pieces, set against the glass.  I'm wondering if it needs to be spaced out from the glass some?  The glass in the door is single glaze.



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Make EXACT patterns of each opening with cardboard. If your a little nervous about final fit then border your windows with quarter inch H lead in case your windows get a little too big on you, you can always shave down the border with a block plane for exact fit.
Hold the sections in with nails or framing points and caulk them in around the perimeter with a nice caulk bead... Most paint stores sell caulk that comes in a variety of shades(Vulkum is one brand), that way you can match the trim and make the instal blend right in. This would be the easiest way to instal them... Otherwise if there is room in the pocket and your stops are thick enuff,remove the existing stops and make the windows full size of opening then run the stops thru a table saw to take off the material needed to allow for the added 3/8 or so the lead is now using up. Then instal your windows back in there with the original stops.
I don't feel that in this case you need to worry about leaving a pocket between the clear glass and the art glass , not too mention it doesn't appear that you have any room for that either...



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