American Glass Guild Discussion Board Home
Home Search search Menu menu Not logged in - Login | Register

Pocantico Hills, NY/ ID maker of windows
 Moderated by: Rebecca
 New Topic   Reply   Printer Friendly 
 Rate Topic 
AuthorPost
 Posted: Sun Nov 26th, 2017 12:20 am
   PM  Quote  Reply 
1st Post
Krueger
Senior Advisor
 

Joined: Sat Oct 7th, 2006
Location: Hartland, Michigan
Posts: 3286
Status: 
Offline

  back to top

church in Pocantico Hills, New York.....are the windows by Lamb Studio??


http://churchofthemagdalene.org/photo-gallery/gallery/inside-church/



 Posted: Sun Nov 26th, 2017 02:21 am
   PM  Quote  Reply 
2nd Post
wab
Non AGG Member
 

Joined: Thu Mar 27th, 2014
Location: Cambridge, United Kingdom
Posts: 196
Status: 
Offline

  back to top

I found a few 1895 / 1896 articles about a couple of the windows, but nothing about who made them. One article said that the first window shown on that webpage, the Baptism of Christ, was "expected to arrive here from Brooklyn by tomorrow" (24 Nov 1896 NY Tribune), which does not narrow it down by much.

Wayne



 Posted: Sun Nov 26th, 2017 07:15 pm
   PM  Quote  Reply 
3rd Post
gil
AGG Member


Joined: Mon Oct 10th, 2011
Location: Brooklyn, New York USA
Posts: 64
Status: 
Offline

  back to top

I restored a Lamb window installed in a Brooklyn public school in 1990-1991. Records at the the NYC archives, which at that time were located on the top floor of City Hall, indicated that the window was fabricated by Lamb around 1903. It also gave Lamb's address as Bergen Street in Brooklyn.
Tom



 Posted: Sun Nov 26th, 2017 09:02 pm
   PM  Quote  Reply 
4th Post
wab
Non AGG Member
 

Joined: Thu Mar 27th, 2014
Location: Cambridge, United Kingdom
Posts: 196
Status: 
Offline

  back to top

Which window and which high school?

There was a stained glass firm by the name of M.T. Lamb (I think M.T. = Maskell Thompson), which was located in Brooklyn. A 1903 Brooklyn directory says that he lived on Bergen Street but his company was on Jay Street. I never managed to determine if there was any relationship between M.T. Lamb and J & R Lamb but I think likely not.

J & R started out in Manhattan, before moving to NJ, but possibly they had a factory in Brooklyn, although that 1903 directory does not list them (at least under Lamb).

The following M.T. Lamb window was (and maybe still is) in what was originally a Girls' High School in Brooklyn (I think now the Brooklyn Adult Learning Center, on Nostrand Avenue), but dates to 1914 not 1903, so presumably isn't the window you meant:

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=gri.ark:/13960/t01z6h30k;view=1up;seq=65

(It looks like a Frederick Wilson sort of design but I don't know of any connection between Wilson and M.T. Lamb.)

Arnold and Locke also operated out of Brooklyn. As did some minor players like the Jones Decorative Glass Company.

Wayne



 Posted: Sun Nov 26th, 2017 11:49 pm
   PM  Quote  Reply 
5th Post
gil
AGG Member


Joined: Mon Oct 10th, 2011
Location: Brooklyn, New York USA
Posts: 64
Status: 
Offline

  back to top

Yes, Girl's High School now the Adult Training Center. The windows are in what is now a wood shop, or it was in 1991. That is the window shown in the archive. I had the date wrong. The actual bill of sale and sketch which I saw in the city archive a few years after the restoration shows Lamb's studio as Bergen Street at a number between Court and Smith Streets. I just incorrectly presumed when I saw it that it must have been J. & R. Lamb.
There are a number of other windows which I restored that are listed in the archive you linked:
I was in the archives looking for information on other windows I was restoring when I saw the Girl's High School archive. What I was looking for was the Victor Hugo and Goethe windows by Gorham and the Ford Memorial window by D'Ascenzo at the Wadleigh School in Manhattan . The face of Victor Hugo had been broken and was partially missing. Fortunately the archive had the original print that the portrait was based on. Albinas Elskus painted an excellent replacement for me. The Faith window by Spiero-Lederle was restored by Tom Venturella.
I also restored the Gunnison Memorial Window at Erasmus High School in Brooklyn. It is the only remaining Tiffany Window in the NYC Public School System. The Calvin Patterson Memorial Window by Tiffany was also in Girls High School but was destroyed in a fire.
The M. T. Lamb, Victor Hugo, Goethe, Faith, and Gunnison windows were all releaded.

Tom



 Posted: Mon Nov 27th, 2017 12:56 am
   PM  Quote  Reply 
6th Post
wab
Non AGG Member
 

Joined: Thu Mar 27th, 2014
Location: Cambridge, United Kingdom
Posts: 196
Status: 
Offline

  back to top

Ah, it's great it's those two windows, because it's nice to know they survived the fire (so presumably they were in some other part of the school).

When I first came across M.T. Lamb in some newspaper article or other, I just assumed it was some dumb reporter who didn't know the proper name of the studio, i.e. J & R Lamb. But eventually the other shoe dropped. You have to pity Mr Lamb for having the same last name as the far more famous stained glass firm. Then again, maybe he got some business because people didn't know it wasn't the same, and contacted him by mistake.

His house was at 233 Bergen Street, so between Bond and Nevins. Thus I guess we can conclude that by 1914 he had moved his workplace from Jay Street to Bergen Street. Ah, a 1911 Sweet's Architectural Catalog lists him as being at 44 Bergen Street, so that matches.

In case anyone is interested (!), he also has (or had) at least the following windows:

1903 window in memory of President McKinley, Twelfth Street Reformed Church, Brooklyn

1904 Good Shepherd window, Twelfth Street Reformed Church, Brooklyn

1904 Moses and the Law window, Twelfth Street Reformed Church, Brooklyn

1908 windows, St Mary's Roman Catholic Church, Wilmington, DE

1913 windows, Olivet Church, Springfield, MA

1916 window, Presbyterian Church, Newark, NJ

Back on the Tiffany front, there was (and I hope still is) a mosaic in what is now called P.S./M.S. 004 Crotona Park West, in the Bronx. It's illustrated in Tiffany's 1896 mosaic brochure (it's the mosaic designed by Ernst Ewald of an Angel of Peace) but wasn't installed until 1902.

Wayne



 Posted: Mon Nov 27th, 2017 01:54 am
   PM  Quote  Reply 
7th Post
gil
AGG Member


Joined: Mon Oct 10th, 2011
Location: Brooklyn, New York USA
Posts: 64
Status: 
Offline

  back to top

44 Bergen sounds like the address I saw in the archives. Attached is a photo of the building as it appears today. The heavy steel lintel indicates that there was a large door or storefront window on the first floor at one time. Perfect building if you want to live above the store.

Tom

Attached Image (viewed 34 times):

IMG_1677.JPG



 Posted: Mon Nov 27th, 2017 06:35 pm
   PM  Quote  Reply 
8th Post
wab
Non AGG Member
 

Joined: Thu Mar 27th, 2014
Location: Cambridge, United Kingdom
Posts: 196
Status: 
Offline

  back to top

I contacted Church of the Magdalene and they replied that they don't know who made their windows either, unfortunately.

Wayne



 Current time is 03:47 pm
Top




UltraBB 1.17 Copyright © 2007-2011 Data 1 Systems