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 Posted: Tue Nov 18th, 2008 06:00 pm
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Glass Flagg
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Hi Everyone!

I wanted to ask if anyone knows how to laminate glass in your own studio.   I have a project that may require laminated glass and I want to know if I can cut my own glass to the need and then laminate that glass to float glass.

Any thoughts or ideas?   Maybe even a reference book on how to laminate.   I am trying to save the client some money.   AND I also want to learn how to do it myself anyways.   I like to learn new tricks.

Thanks,

Tim

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 Posted: Wed Nov 19th, 2008 02:19 pm
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Willet tried it in the late 60s . It was done on a job for North Western
University, some where in the mid west. They used a Rhone and Haus
product, an acrylic glue. Bad for your health, I know I worked on it .
The whole thing was laid out on a glazing table. First was a large
piece of tempered plate glass. It was then washed with what they called
a size, only one guy there knew what it consisted of. Louie Clenet, and he
was not telling ( protecting his job) he thought, I guess. He spoke Walloon
or what ever the artist Benoit Gillso also spoke so they got along.
Louie was never around when we used the size. We wore gas masks
rubber gloves and aprons. I should have suspected some thing but
what the hell I had just started with Willet and was trying to make points.
After a few days the fumes from the size started to eat the lighting fixtures.
Did I mention Louie did not like hippies, or at least one hippy me.
After the plate was down and washed, each of the antique glass that
was to be adhered to it was also washed with the same size. Then a layer
of glue was poured over the plate and the antique glass was laid in to it.
As well as I can remember there were at least two layers of antique glass
some times more. The whole thing was left on the table to cure over night
then stacked against the wall to further cure. When the job was done
it went off to be set and continued to be a problem. The antique kept falling
off and there was a lot of breakage and replacement . In short I was never
convinced Louie really understood that technic . I don't know if any of it
is still in place or if it is how it is fairing. By now there may be better information on the technic. There was a Dutch firm doing it then. That is
where Willet sent Louie to learn the technic. They had better success then
Willet and may still be fabricating laminated glass. It was an interesting
way to use glass but it entailed using a lot of toxic stuff and I had my fill
of it then and have not tried it since. CZ still kinda high from Louiez size.



 Posted: Mon Jan 19th, 2009 08:57 pm
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Tim:

There are two basic ways to laminate glass.  the most common is to use an interlayer film that is joined to both surfaces with pressure and heat, a such as in an autoclave.  The second way is to use a resin.  Check this link http://www.fuzing.com/qrx/glass-laminating-resins you may find something from them.  If my memory serves me, there is an issue with yellowing of the resin near the edges of the pieces that are being laminated.  I think many of the custom laminates are made and then cut, often with a waterjet.



 Posted: Mon Jan 26th, 2009 12:55 pm
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Charlie,
 Yes they fell apart! We were removing an installation at a Lutheran seminary in Columbia S.C. in the late 80's, Because of the guillotine effect. It was a window wall about 40 feet tall with a sidewalk directly under it.
  One fell apart completely during removal and almost got one of my eyes. Instead I got 14 stitches on the side of my nose. Now you know how I got that scar.

Tim,
  If I'm not mistaken, I believe some of the European studios are using some of the new 2-part silicons for Lamination. But I can't remember where I saw or heard it.
  Good luck,
John



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